In this powerful conversation with Alex Kocman, we're challenged to examine the tension between our natural loves and our supernatural calling as Christians. The discussion centers on a biblical principle found throughout Scripture: that grace doesn't erase nature, but perfects it. We see this in Acts 17, where God establishes the borders and dwelling places of peoples, yet also works through diasporas for His purposes. We're reminded of Christ's perfect example—He wept over Jerusalem and cared for His mother even while calling disciples to the ends of the earth. The core message asks us to reject false dichotomies: Can we love our families AND care about missions? Can we have natural affections for our own people while also loving our enemies as Christ commanded? The answer is a resounding yes. Paul's declaration that he would give up Christ for his brothers according to the flesh, even while serving as apostle to the Gentiles, shows us that biblical Christianity holds both truths in tension. We're called to be fruitful and multiply, to care for our homes and communities, while simultaneously obeying the Great Commission. This isn't complicated—it's simply walking in obedience to all of Scripture, not just the parts that fit our current cultural moment.

Chapter 1: The Mission Crisis and America's Role

0:00 - 3:00

We explore how America's potential collapse would impact global missions and the historical pattern of missionary-sending nations requiring cultural stability and Christian presence.

Chapter 2: Introducing Ordered Love: Reconciling Grace and Nature

3:00 - 7:00

We learn about the book 'Ordered Love' which addresses the false dichotomy between grace and nature, showing how we can care for home, nation, and missions simultaneously.

Chapter 3: Immigration, Evangelism, and Cultural Consequences

7:00 - 11:00

We examine the tension between evangelistic opportunities presented by immigration and the negative consequences of cultural displacement, acknowledging both God's sovereignty and biblical warnings.

Chapter 4: Adoption, Race, and Refusing False Categories

11:00 - 15:00

We hear about a transracial adoption that sparked internet controversy, revealing two equally wrong responses: racist hatred and pietistic virtue-signaling, both representing disordered love.

Chapter 5: Christ's Example of Balanced Love

15:00 - 17:00

We see how Jesus perfectly balanced universal mission with particular love, caring for all nations while weeping over Jerusalem and ensuring his mother's care.