In this conversation, host Dan Hummel has a conversation with Daniel K. Williams, who discusses his book 'The Politics of the Cross: A Christian Alternative to Partisanship' and explores the intersection of history, politics, and religion. He shares his background and interest in history, the misconceptions about Christians and politics, and the historical roots of the Democratic and Republican parties. Williams argues that the Democratic Party has deep roots in secularized liberal Protestantism, with a focus on equality and caring for the marginalized. On the other hand, the Republican Party emerged from Protestant moralism, emphasizing frugality, hard work, and opposition to the sexual revolution. He also discusses how these historical perspectives shape the parties today. In this conversation, Dan Hummel and Daniel Williams discuss the relationship between politics and Christianity, particularly within the context of the United States. They explore the historical influence of Protestant moralism on American politics and the role of evangelicals in the Republican Party. They also examine the impact of the Trump era on evangelical politics, noting both continuities and changes. The conversation delves into the division and polarization within churches over political issues, emphasizing the need for Christians to adopt a cross-centered ethic and approach politics with discernment and charity. The book 'Politics of the Cross' is discussed, with a focus on the chapters addressing abortion, same-sex marriage, race, and economics. The conversation concludes with reflections on the current political landscape and advice for Christians navigating the complexities of voting and engaging in politics.